LLangylynin & Gyffin Hollands
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Humphrey Holland
M, #26
Parents
| Father | John Holland (b. about 1490) |
Family:
| Son | Owen Holland |
| Son | Thomas Holland |
Biography
An indenture dated 1558 relates to an arbitration concerning title to Ty Thyn Carreg Y Dinas lying in the town of Castell in the Comote of Isaph. The arbiters awarded that Owain ap Richard and Hugh ap William to surrender and deliver to Humphrey Holland the title to the said tenement for the fee of forty shillings. In an early 17th century list of householders and ale house keepers within the comote of Isaph (Wigfair MSS 699) lists the names of Thomas Holland and Owen Holland but not Humphrey so it seems he must have been deceased by then. Assuming that he was at least 21 by the time he was awarded Carreg Y Dinas he was young enough to have been a son of John who is unlikely to have married before 1510, it seems likely therefore that he was a descendant of John.
John Holland
M, #27, b. about 1490
Parents
| Father | Morgan Holland |
| Mother | Elizabeth Conway |
Family:
| Son | Humphrey Holland |
Biography
John Holland was born about 1490.
Morgan Holland
M, #28
Family: Elizabeth Conway
| Son | John Holland (b. about 1490) |
Biography
Morgan Holland and Elizabeth Conway were married about 1488.
Elizabeth Conway
F, #29
Parents
| Father | Hugh Conway |
Family: Morgan Holland
| Son | John Holland (b. about 1490) |
Biography
Elizabeth Conway and Morgan Holland were married about 1488.
Thomas Holland1
M, #31
Parents
| Father | Humphrey Holland |
Biography
The only reference we have for Thomas Holland is that he is also listed as a householder of Llangelynnin in the Wigfair MSS 699. As there are no other Hollands listed it seems likely that he was another son of Humphrey.
Citations
- [S10] Wigfair MSS 699, List of Householders in Llangelynin ealy 17th Century
Robert Roger
M, #35
Family: Jane Holland
| Daughter | Catherine Roberts |
| Daughter | Alice Roberts (b. about 1708, d. about 1787) |
Biography
Robert Roger and Jane Holland were married before 1699.1
We know that Jane went on to marry Robert Rogers by virtue of an indenture dated 1799 between Edward Price Lloyd and Mary Vaughan Davies, within which he bargained and sold Ty Mwyga, Carreg Y Dinas and other property previously mentioned in the Coed Coch 527 indenture. Within this indenture it refers to the previous ownership as follows, "which were previously in the tenure of Robert Rogers and others and subsequent hereto of Jane Holland, otherwise Rogers". It appears these lands were purchased by Edward Lloyd, Baronet, and the great uncle of Edward Price Lloyd. We also know that Robert Rogers was in possession of Carreg Y Dinas in 1730 from a list of freeholders of that date (XQS/1731/247). We know from Owen's will that Jane and Robert had two daughters Alice and Catherine who took their fathers first name as their surname.
Citations
- [S18] Bodfach Estate Papers, NLW Ref 25, Indenture dated August1, 1799
John Holland1
M, #36, d. before 19 February 1694
Parents
| Father | Humphrey Holland (b. about 1630, d. before 15 February 1694) |
| Mother | Ellin Unknown |
Family: Mary Evans
| Son | Hugh Holland |
| Son | Humphrey Holland |
Biography
It is believed that Humphrey had a second son John. This is based on an assumption that the Hugh Holland referred to as Owen's son in law in Owen's Will dated 1729 (who married Owen's daughter Ellin) was the son of Owen's brother John. There therefore two key assumptions made here in this pedigree that (a) Hugh was the son of Owen's brother John & (b) that if Hugh baptised 6/4/1684 was the son of John then it was he who married his first cousin Elin (daughter of Owen).
All the available evidence points to John as being resident in Gyffin Parish in a property known as Cae Alen, where he also died in February 1694 (Gyffin BT). Unfortunately there is no evidence that either Humphrey or John made a will, the fact that Humphrey was interred in Gyffin rather than Llangelynnin and the proximity of the burial dates may imply that they died of a common complaint. It is surprising that there is no tombstone for Humphrey in either Llangelynnin or Gyffin churchyards, especially as his signature on the Gyffin church tithes and some of the BTs indicate that he held some form of official capacity in the church, possibly church warden.
All the available evidence points to John as being resident in Gyffin Parish in a property known as Cae Alen, where he also died in February 1694 (Gyffin BT). Unfortunately there is no evidence that either Humphrey or John made a will, the fact that Humphrey was interred in Gyffin rather than Llangelynnin and the proximity of the burial dates may imply that they died of a common complaint. It is surprising that there is no tombstone for Humphrey in either Llangelynnin or Gyffin churchyards, especially as his signature on the Gyffin church tithes and some of the BTs indicate that he held some form of official capacity in the church, possibly church warden.
Citations
Hugh Holland1
M, #37
Parents
| Father | John Holland (d. before 19 February 1694) |
| Mother | Mary Evans |
Biography
Owen Holland's will dated 1729 refers to Hugh Holland son in law of Owen's daughter Elin. There are two key assumptions made here in this pedigree that (a) Hugh was the son of Owen's brother John & (b) that if Hugh baptised 6/4/1684 was the son of John then it was he who married his first cousin Elin (daughter of Owen).
Citations
- [S4] Will of Owen Holland Dated 31/5/1729, B/1729/138
Mary Evans
F, #38
Family: John Holland (d. before 19 February 1694)
| Son | Hugh Holland |
| Son | Humphrey Holland |
Roger Holland
M, #41
Parents
| Father | Humphrey Holland (b. about 1630, d. before 15 February 1694) |
| Mother | Ellin Unknown |
Biography
There is also a possibility that Humphrey had this third son Roger who at the time of his death in 1727 was recorded as being of Bwlch in Gyffin. The possible association with the other sons of Humphrey is that Roger's son Thomas resided at Cae Alen the abode of the deceased John (Humphrey's second son). This property remained in the occupancy of the descendants of Roger for almost two hundred years until the death of Elizabeth Holland in 1896. It would appear from the following records that the descendants of Roger eventually took over Cae Alen.
Elizabeth Holland
F, #42, b. before 11 April 1629
Parents
| Father | John Holland |
| Mother | Gaynor vch Robert Gruffith (b. about 1605) |
Biography
Elizabeth Holland was born before 11 April 1629.1
Elizabeth Holland was baptized on 11 April 1629 in Conwy.2
Citations
Gaynor vch Robert
F, #43
Family: Edward Williams (d. before 1679)
| Daughter | Catherine verch Edward Williams (d. before 1 August 1669) |
| Son | William Edwards |
| Son | Thomas Edwards |
| Daughter | Marie Edwards |
| Daughter | Jane Edwards |
| Daughter | Margaret Edwards |
| Son | Hugh Edwards |
| Son | Unknown Williams |
| Daughter | Unknown Williams |
| Son | Robert Edwards |
Biography
Gaynor vch Robert left a will on 19 April 1679 in Merchlyn.1
Citations
- [S14] Will of Gaynor vch Robert dated 1679, B/1679/23w
Alice Roberts1,2
F, #44, b. about 1708, d. about 1787
Parents
| Father | Robert Roger |
| Mother | Jane Holland |
Family: Thomas Edwards
| Son | Edward Edwards |
| Daughter | Catherine Edwards |
| Daughter | Margaret Edwards |
Biography
Alice Roberts was born about 1708. She died about 1787 in Llangelynin, Caernarvonshire. She was buried about 1787 in Llangelynin, Caernarvonshire.
Notes provided by Yvonne: I have recently been relooking up Alice Roberts children. She married Thomas Edwards. Had eldest son surviving- Edward Edwards. It would seem when was old she moved into Ty Newydd. and let her son Edw live in Carrreg. her grandson Thomas Roberts lived at Ty Newydd. She had 2 daughters Catherine and Margaret. Her son Edw Edwards died just after her. I checked the parish records recently in Llandudno library. She was born 1708 ( I have a fiche with old Llangelynnin burials and her grave is on it) so she was 79 when she died. Alice Roberts resided in Carreg y Dinas, Llangelynin, Caernarfonshire, between 1751 and 1761.3
Citations
Henry Holland
M, #49, b. before 1 June 1698, d. before 1 May 1705
Parents
| Father | Owen Holland (d. after 31 May 1729) |
| Mother | Mary Wynne |
Biography
Henry Holland was born before 1 June 1698 in Llangelynin, Caernarvonshire. He died before 1 May 1705 in Llangelynin, Caernarvonshire. He was buried on 1 May 1705 in Llangelynin, Caernarvonshire.1
There can be no certainty that Henry who was baptised 1/6/1698 was the same Henry who was buried in 1705 however there were no other Henry's known to be living in Llangelynin at that time. Henry Holland was baptized on 1 June 1698 in Llangelynin, Caernarvonshire.2
Citations
Margaret Richard
F, #50
Biography
Margaret Richard and William Holland were married about 1716 in Llangelynin, Caernarvonshire.1
Citations
- [S5] Hayes Marriage Index, Llangelynin BT's