Individual Notes

Note for: Robert Holland, BEF 8 Mar 1622 - ABT May 1693 Index

Baptism:
     Date:   8 Mar 1622
     Place:   Eglwysbach, Denbighshire

Event:
     Type:   Living
     Date:   1679

Burial:
     Date:   ABT May 1693
     Place:   Eglwysbach, Denbighshire

Individual Note:
     Robert was born in March 1622 according to the PR. He married Ellen daughter of Edward Wynne of Plas Ucha in Llanyfydd (HHE, XDS/11/1,) a marriage deed existed for this marriage but HHE admits to it being missing from the Pennant Papers. He and his wife Elin produced a large family, the son and heir being Humphrey. The PR attributes the following other children to Robert and Elin; William (d1661), Owen (b 1646), Ambrose (b 1648), Jane (b 1649, d 1737), Anne (b1650. d 1650), Margaret (b 1651), Peter (b 1652), Jeffrey (b1654),Thomas (b 1655, d 1719), Martha (b 1656, d 1670), Ellen (b1657), David (b 1660, d 1661).

It is not known what happened to those with no recorded deaths or marriages within the Eglwys Bach PR, possibly they moved away from the area. There appears to be a gap in the entries of births and deaths during the periods 1661 to 1666, and 1666 to 1674 which coincides with the period of the English Civil War so it is possible there could have been some unrecorded deaths during this period. There is a reference to a prenuptial agreement in the Pennant Papers dated1672 referring to the marriage of Margaret Holland and Richard Bulkeley which it is safe to assume refers to Margaret vch Robert.

There is a death for Robert Holland in the PR of 1693. The LDS pedigree records his death as later than 1679. There was however a Robert Holland son of Owen of Pen Y Bryn who was born in 1651(PR) so this death could have been him as there is no record of a marriage. It seems more likely that 1693 should be attributed to the death of Robert ap William. As for Robert ap Owen he could have moved away knowing he was unlikely to inherit Pen Y Bryn.

Notes from Brian Holland

Individual Notes

Note for: Robert Holland, - BEF 12 Jul 1635 Index

Burial:
     Date:   12 Jul 1635
     Place:   Eglwysbach, Denbighshire

Individual Note:
Robert inherited the Pennant estate. All sources agree that he married Mary Owen vch Hugh of Bodeon, Anglesey. It is possible that the above mentioned bond of £1000 was a marriage settlement. According to HHE the marriage took place in 1588 (XDS/101/23/42), i.e. the date of the bond. The actual birth date of Robert is unknown but as his parents were married in 1568 he must have been in his teens when he married. It is possible that this was another arranged marriage.

According to the PR Roberts son and heir was Jeffrey (d1620). He also had a son William who died in 1623 according to the PR. The only recorded death in the PR for Robert Holland in this period is 1635. It would appear therefore that both Roberts sons predeceased him and therefore it seems likely that William did not actually become heir of Pennant even though published pedigree charts show him in direct line of descendancy. This is borne out by an entry in Archaeologia Cambrensis 1885, page 133, whereby William Holland of Cefn Y Coed was Godfather to Barbara Lloid, the tenth child of Evan Lloid Jeffrey of Dyffryn, Eglwys Bach in 1617. Cefn Y Coed is the next farm down the hill from Pennant, and Dyffryn is in close proximity. Several others of the Pennant Hollands were Godparent to other children of Evan Lloyd Jeffrey. According to the PR, Robert also had a daughter Anne (b1608) and a son Hugh (b1605). There is a reference in HHE to Hugh marrying the daughter of a William Wynne of unknown origin. There is no death for this Hugh in the PR.

Notes from Brian Holland

Individual Notes

Note for: Robert Holland, BEF 14 Dec 1651 - Index

Baptism:
     Date:   14 Dec 1651
     Place:   Eglwysbach, Denbighshire

Individual Notes

Note for: Robin Holland, ABT 1360 - ABT 1430 Index

Individual Note:
According to HHE (XDS/101/23/37) Robin married Agnes vch Meredith ap Rhys ap Richard, HHE extends this to ap Cadwalader ap Griffith ap Conan Twysog whereas Griffiths Pedigree has Anne. As we are not sure of the source of Griffiths I have opted to use Agnes though either could be right. The LDS website omits Robin Holland altogether, making Howel the son of Roger (Hoesgyn). I think we have to conclude this is a mistake as it disagrees with all other published references to the Holland family tree.

Robin is known to have had two sons; the eldest Howel Holland inherited the Pennant Estate, in Eglwys Bach, Denbighshire, and Dafydd Holland of Faerdref who started the Holland lines in Abergele andKimnel (Ref Welsh Biography Online). Griffiths also includes a John Holland, evidence for this comes in a document translated from Latin,dated 1410, which pardons Ieuan ap Robyn Holand, and also Ieuan's sisters Morwyth and Gwenllian, Ieuan ap Griffith ap Robert Holand and others for " all manner of treasons, insurrections, rebellions, arsons etc." It seems highly likely that the Robyn mentioned is the ancestor of the Eglwys Bach family, Ieuan being the Welsh for John.

Notes provided by Brian Holland.